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| Posted by: Administrator Account |
Sunday, 22 May 2005 |
Organ donor compensation is important. It would cost around $575,000 to assist 250 donors to cover out of pocket costs - as it costs $60,000 per annum to keep one person alive on dialysis in Australia, the savings to the Federal health budget are obvious. Kidney Health Australia continually renews its call to Government for compensation to organ donors. Have your say ... .........
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By Teresa Taylor on Tuesday, 7 October 2008
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Donor Compensation - from Robbie (last name removed) |
| Hi all ...... compensation has been great for me, i gave my then wife a kidney in 2005. After 12 months off positive test results we were told we could plan a family, since then we have had a beautiful daughter, but also our marriage has failed. To the point that i the man who donated her a kidney has had to fight thru solicitors just to have visits with my daughter, and the visits i get now are great but they are not even equal, I have lost nearly every cent i worked hard for, I have lost a huge amount of my superannuation all to a person I gave the chance of another life too. Thats what i call great compensation.!!! I could never recomend donating a organ whilst alive...!!!...thats my experience...!!! |
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By Dolly de Oliveira on Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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Dear Teresa, Thank you so much for the immediate answer/response which we really appreciated. Mum is working on that as she has to go back to the clinic everyday. Hopefully all will sorted thank you so much. Best regards Dolly |
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By Teresa Taylor on Tuesday, 11 March 2008
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Hi Dolly, what a wonderful gift you have given to your Mum. She must be so very proud of you. Our health team recommend that you contact a member of the health team that worked with you for your Mum's transplant, to link you urgently to the Social Worker at Westmead Hospital. They will advise you on assistance available to you. They should also be able to help with any forms etc. It is always good to share a problem, as then it may be halved. |
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By Dolly de Oliveira on Tuesday, 11 March 2008
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I'm only 25 and my mother is 52. I just recently donated my left kidney to her after 6 years of her agony living with kidney failure. Mum's finally feeling content and grateful to receive my donation. I just started work a month before the operation therefore I am not entitled or not yet accrued any annual leave. Now I must leave without pay for 6 weeks and have no financial support, since my mother is also still in the hospital (operation happened just last week March 5th 08 - Westmead Hospital) we arent sure how can we support ourselves till we recover? So if anyone has any i dea who I should contact in regards to this issue please let me know. Centrelink should be ashamed, I was trying to claim for sickness benefits and I have to answer for hundreds of question? Isn't a doctor statememnt enough? I can't sit for 2 hours without being physically and mentally weak, trying to answer 32 pages of questions. So hopefully there's another choice out there just to help my financial condition temporarily. Thank you |
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By Jenny Curtis on Sunday, 27 January 2008
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Just wondering whether there has been any progress on obtaining reimbersements of medical costs for live donors? I am just beginning to investigate the possibility of donating to a friend but would need assurance that the process would not leave us too much out of pocket before my husband would even consider it. I don't mind taking time off my work but don't think that I should have to pay for medical or transport costs. My friend in need has no money to pay for these and is in desperate need medically. How do we get this happening? |
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By Larry Green on Monday, 29 October 2007
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The time has flown since the last comment so I would like to if there is any update on compensation for donors.
I am about to start training for home haemodialysis and had pretty well everything I know I found out for myself. Nothing much has been offerred.
I have had very strong interest from 2 possible donors but in both cases the loss of income is a big concern. It would be unfair to expect that donor to take holiday and/or sick leave and lose entitements for my sake when he/she will no doubt need for themself.
The second donor owns and runs a business. It could be handled by a competent person with minimal guidance from the person recuperating but it would mean being out of pocket to pay that person.
There should be compensation monetarily and guaranteed retention of entitlements for donors whose unselfish act will save the medical system heaps.
Please update of anything new is known.
Through my investigations for more info I have met quite a few wonderful and inspirational people who are dialysing or had transplants. I will continue to pray for thiers, yours and my strength during the whole process of kidney failure. |
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By Toni on Saturday, 3 February 2007
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| I agree after donating to my husband where we had to rely on friends to look after our two children while at RPA,which was much appreciated as they visited us from canberra so we could see the children and they could see us, as they were heart broken to be left behind,it was hard on them to be left for the 4 weeks as well for us,and were we going to be home for christmas! We just made it 2 days before, our phone bill soon mounted up,there was no help for my accommodation or food. After been allowed out of hospital, as my husband rejected a couple of times, when we got home apart from a few good friends helped, we had been told we would get home help. Finacially we are still struggling with medical costs and medications, perhaps these things need looking at also, the ongoing costs. But I was pleased I could give my partner, my friend, my husband, another chance at life, and this is hard to put a price on. How do you put a price on someone’s life? But it does save the goverment the cost of dialyis each year, which helps save a life. Please consider there maybe more donors if some costs were met. These people didn’t ask to be ill, nor would they wish it on their worst enemy, they just want to be human again, and enjoy abit more life than the hospital doors. If I could donate again I would, but push a little more harder for help so all you new people out there keep trying we might not make this wish come true but the more we have our say down the track it might be the wish for others of that little bit of financial help, and may the angels be watching over us all. |
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By Ginny on Sunday, 25 December 2005
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| The recent news that well-known [Letter from America] broadcaster Alistair Cooke’s bones were plundered in the US after his death reminded me to be very pleased that here in Australia we do not allow financial gain on human tissue - with the attendant risk of corruption and theft. |
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By Trish on Wednesday, 21 December 2005
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| I believe the government needs to put more funds into medical issues. The payout for maternity leave is $3000, when we know that most of it is not put towards the cost of a new baby. Some people spend it on themselves. They should also reduce the dole, they get more than some average workers. I have been on dialysis for 2 1/2 years. When first diagnosed was told was needed a transplant. My family would not help at all because of time off work and expenses. I told them off by saying what is more saving someone’s life or work. I will never have a transplant as I have some blood disorder which will complicate things. |
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By Marie Miltos-Monforte on Tuesday, 30 August 2005
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I believe that the government should compensate live donors for the following:
There are many patients I have known in the time my husband has been waiting for
a transplant in the last four years, who were working in the beginning of their
dialysis treatment and are now on part or on full pension benefits or passed away.
This is because they are either too unwell to work full time or work at all anymore
in some cases. You would think that the government would look at this without hesitation
and say ‘We should pay live donors a 3 x month salary (a more realistic time for
someone to recover enough to go back to work from organ donation surgery) instead
of paying someone to have dialysis treatment, plus pension benefits’.
Not to mention the fact that some patients have to take alu-tabs which have a form
of aluminimum to help bind phosphate from the body.
Its a catch 22 for these patients, because the longer they are on alu-tabs they
will have long term damage that causes a form of dymentia/altziemers disease….And
if they don’t take it, there is a high risk of heart disease due to the phosphate
build up in the arteries. As a result, additional cost is spent on patients affected
by these drug induced conditions from long term use of aluminimum medications which
could have been avoided.
I am considered as a bit of a philanthropist by my family, colleagues and friends.
I enjoy helping and giving to charities and have also volunteered my personal time
for many events in recent times. I know that my husband and many other dialysis
patients would have loved to help with many appeals, however, they do not have the
luxury of having energy, better health or time to assist.
I want the government to support the payment of live organ donors. Believe me, the
Federal Government’s budget would also feel a lot better.
We are supposed to be the lucky country with freedom. The government has a choice.
People who are on dialysis do not have a choice, they have a jail sentence which
they do not know if it leads to a death sentence or the rare chance of a matching
donor call.
Thank you for taking the time to read the above.
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By Toni Morrison on Sunday, 14 August 2005
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As a living non-related donor, I would have appreciated financial help from the
government
I have had the wonderful opportunity to donate one of my kidneys to my husband very
recently. My husband has been suffering from chronic renal failure over many years
until recently when we found out that I could donate one of my kidneys to him. Fortunately,
he hadn’t got to the stage of dialysis when we found out that we had compatable
blood types. I had to go out of my local area to about 100kms away and to Sydney,
300kms away many times for tests which I lost pay for those days as I am only casually
employed and don’t get any sick leave, as well, our stay away from our home was
six weeks and my husband has had to take his sick leave of course, plus holidays
that he had saved, plus he has had to now dip into his Long Service Leave. He doesn’t
know at this stage how much longer he will be off work. The immediate outlay for
accomodation during our stay after our operations (as we are from Central West NSW)
and trying to keep up with mortgage payments is proving to be very difficult and
stressful during my our recovery. We would have appreciated government compensation
to help with the financial burden we have faced during this time as my husband would
have been on dialysis before the years end and costing the goverment for many years
until he was able to have a cadaveric transplant.
We hope that future living donors will receive compensation one day!
Thankyou
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By Paul Field on Monday, 25 July 2005
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I know that Kidney Health Australia has made a submission to federal government
requesting financial assistance for live organ donors. I am sure they have provided
the costs currently incurred from dialysis alone, and that to assist a live donor
actually makes financial sense for the government.
That aside, I would like to add my opinion. Of course, a person should not financially
gain from giving a kidney, or any organ, to another
human being, but should such a selfless act actually cost that person financially?
I have read a great deal on this subject, and it is clear that many potential live
donors have been deterred from giving a kidney to another person and thereby improving
that person’s life (and reducing medical costs to the government!) simply because
they could not afford it - a realistic minimum of 5 weeks off work with a possible
maximum of many months for most people with families to support, mortgages to pay
etc. is simply not an option.
From my own personal perspective, my wife has suffered from diabetes since she was
a small child and now is suffering from Kidney failure and will probably need a
kidney transplant before the end of the year. I am a potential donor for her, though
we still need more tests to be sure I can be a donor. Assuming I am medically able
to donate, I certainly intend to do all I can to do so, but my concerns are
not regarding my own health in this matter as I’ve read enough to know what I’m
getting into and consider the risks to be acceptable. My
chief concerns are financial. I have recently started a new job, and they know of
my situation and are being as supportive as I could ask of them, but by the end
of the year I will have accrued only 6 days sick leave (assuming I’m not sick prior
to this!) and 10 days annual leave. Which means, in the best case scenario, I can
expect to lose 2 weeks pay. This I can save for and cope with, but what happens
if I suffer any complications and require months off work? This is a severe worry
to me, and if it happens I stand to potentially lose my job, my home and I’llbe
unable to repay my existing debts. As I see it I could, in short, be facing bankruptcy.
Which, for trying to help somebody you love in a very humane and caring way, seems
ridiculous and I think the government has a moral obligation to correct what is
currently a ridiculously unfair system.
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By Katie Field on Monday, 25 July 2005
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Financial assistance should be provided to live organ donors. It just makes sense.
To go through a painful, risky surgery, to give up a piece of your own body is not
an easy decision. The decision is further complicated by the financial hardships
donors face. For many people it is these financial problems that stop them from
saving a loved one’s life. It shouldn’t be a choice anyone should have to face.
The cost of keeping six people on dialysis for a year is equal to the cost of supporting
250 live donors through the transplant period. That means the mere act of helping
people through a hard time will save the government the cost of 244 dialysis treatments
- That’s a lot of money!
I have had type 1 diabetes for 22 years and now have renal failure requiring a transplant.
My husband is a potential and willing match. If I can have the transplant our lives
will be back on track. The problem is money. My husband is the primary bread winner
in our house. We rely on his income to survive. If he has to take weeks and weeks
off work we will more than struggle, we may end up bankrupt.
With government support for donors I, and many others in this same position, will
be able to afford a transplant and will be able to live normal, productive lives.
That combined with the financial benefits to the government make this a simple decision.
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By Alex Blaelock on Wednesday, 13 July 2005
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John
Perhaps if you refer to Wayne Kemp’s entry under indigenous health, and consider
how lucky you are that your words and actions are not judged by your skin colour,
that people with your skin colour are represented positively by the media, and that
you do not have to betray your cultural identity for respect then you may start
to realise what it is like be indigenous. If you did not speak English as a first
language, did not get a decent education, could not get a job, lived in primitive
accommodation under the poverty line, you would understand how important a targeted
indigeous health campaign is.
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By John Arendse on Friday, 1 July 2005
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| Re government inaction on live donor compensation: You can bet that the new workplace relations laws will not guarantee live donor return to employment position/salary without prejudice after the 2 or 3 month recovery period. |
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By Michelle Gilliver-Smith on Thursday, 30 June 2005
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The issue of loss of income payments for live organ donors is one that I am very
passionate about.
In March 2004 my husband was fortunate enough to receive a live donation of a kidney
from his brother after nearly two years of dialysis and 13 years of living with
chronic renal failure.
In my opinion live organ donation is the most unselfish and giving act one human
being can do for another and the people who do this are incredible. Their generosity
is outstanding and almost unfathomable.
Whilst live donors give this gift freely and do not look for financial compensation,
I do not believe that they should suffer financial hardship because of their actions.
In our case, my brother-in-law who is married with four young children, lives about
1,000km from Sydney. In order for the transplant to take place, he had to travel
to Sydney twice as well as several trips backwards and forwards to major regional
hospitals for testing and medical care. He is not wealthy and the family needs his
income to survive.
My husband and I were determined that he and his family should not be financially
disadvantaged because of what he was doing. Therefore we met all of his out of pocket
expenses which included travel, medical costs not covered by Medicare, accommodation
whilst in Sydney after the transplant, lost wages during the transplant and recovery
period.
Our costs were less due to the wonderful support shown already to renal patients
through the provision of dialysis and care, however, there were some tests and a
couple of hospital stays for tests and procedures required for transplant that were
not covered by Medicare. There was also loss of income during the three months that
my husband was unable to work.
The total of these costs was about $25,000. The cost of reimbursement of out of
pocket expenses from my brother-in-law amounted to about $15,000 of this, a cost
he could certainly not have afforded. We didn’t have that kind of money just laying
around either and so borrowed against our house to fund the costs.
Please understand I am not complaining. No amount of money would have deterred me
from having my husband free of dialysis and in the healthiest state he has been
for 20 years. I understand that vast sums of money have been expended by the Australian
taxpayer just to keep my husband alive so he could have a transplant, however, given
that for every patient who is free of dialysis, the taxpayer is saving around $50,000
per annum, I think it is only fair that consideration be given to compensating these
most generous human beings, live donors, for lost income. This program could easily
be funded from the savings the government will see from the reduction in dialysis
patients.
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By Steve Attard on Friday, 24 June 2005
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In recent times we have seen an increase in the number of people registering to
become organ donors through the hard work of organisations like Kidney Health Australia,
the David Hookes Foundation and others. Although this life saving work is vital,
the benefits in some cases may not be realised for up to 50 years when a donors
health fails and the organs become available. With a Donor Financial Compensation
Program, this allows people to make this generous life saving sacrifice today to
help restore the quality of life for loved ones.
A program that allows people the financial freedom to be able to donate an organ
is the minimum we can do to assist people who make this life saving sacrifice to
help loved ones in crisis. Currently not only do these people donate an organ, but
they are penalised financially when they take time off work for an operation and
a period of time to recuperate.
A Donor Financial Compensation Program to assist people making this sacrifice to
ensure they can pay bills and continue to live while away from work is the least
they should be able to expect for this selfless act. If a program like this makes
it easier for people to donate and reduces the financial pressure on these people,
then it can only be a good thing.
Steve
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By Julie Edmonds on Friday, 24 June 2005
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In Western Australia, the awareness of kidney donation between the living is coming
of age. While hard to believe, it all began 25 years ago for my sister Susan and
I. In 1980, at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital in Nedlands W.A., I gave Susan my right
kidney, I was 23 years old. Susan lost my kidney six weeks after our transplant,
and I nearly lost Susan in the weeks that followed as she battled for life in Intensive
Care. I had needed to use all of my sick and holiday leave from work for the transplant
and could now not afford to take time from work to be with her. We were never offered
counselling or support and it would be many years before I would fully understand
the impact this loss had on both our lives.
Susan later received a kidney from a deceased donor which gave her another chance
at life. She battled with many kidney related illnesses until her death in 2001.
Susan died after two heart attacks and kidney failure. And I discovered that through
life, years, loss and change, I had only ever been living in a revolving door, that
had taken me right back to the start again. For I found that nothing had significantly
changed for living organ donors in over 20 years, they were still very much on their
own.
I ask the government and community to accept that these living donors are often
in need of financial and emotional support and in the case of rural families, in
need of accommodation.
Julie Edmonds
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By John Kelly on Friday, 24 June 2005
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I comments on a few different topics:
Donor Financial Compensation.I am sorry, I do not agree with financial
compensation for organ donation. Who would pay?
Organ Transplantation.
This is probably a favourite subject of mine and some probably think my views are
a little extreme! As a consequence, I shall significantly restrain myself!
Should we have an “opt out” rather than an “opt in” system of organ donation, thereby
making everyone a donor unless they say otherwise?
Then of course, if someone opts out, should they be entitled to receive and organ?
I think you can’t be half in and half out or have your cake and eat it too!
I am well aware that changes are being made to rules regarding permission to allow
the harvesting of organs, however, I also understand nothing is REALLY going to
change because relatives can still overrule your wishes! One problem for me is that
I cannot see what it has to do with relatives, or anyone else for that matter.
Indigenous Health.
My views on this subject are also probably a little extreme!
I fail to understand why a separate health system needs to be set up for indigenous
Australians. As far as I am aware there is nothing in the existing system that I
am entitled to that an indigenous member of our society is not.
Early Detection of Kidney Disease.
Since the incidence of kidney disease seems to be on the increase, maybe GPs should
encourage their patients to have periodic tests for kidney function. Perhaps the
general population should also be encouraged to have some tests from time to time.
Other Stuff.
I think having a forum for this type of discussion is a fantastic idea. Although
the above might appear a bit negative, I am not at all negative about organ donation
and kidney health, I just have some strong views about the subject.
I have a very close relationship with kidney disease, my wife suffers from polycystic
kidneys and until she received a transplant, for some years her life was just one
big balancing act, especially with diet and lifestyle. Because of her almost iron
discipline, she kept relatively healthy for some years by managing diet. Today things
are fine, it is five and half years since the transplant and she looks and acts
as healthy as ever. The only problem now is the constant monitoring and all the
tablets she has to take!
John Kelly
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By Nick Farley on Friday, 24 June 2005
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A Canberran live donor found considerable lack of support available immediatley
after donating a kidney to his wife at RPA in Sydney. Upon their return to Canberra
they were fortunate to have a neighbour who was able to help out with daily tasks
including grocery shopping and transport. Perhaps this is an area that could be
looked into.
Nick Farley
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By Judanne Simpson on Tuesday, 21 June 2005
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I’d like to add my personal story about why I think that the suggested compensation of up to $3,000 for organ donors would be a good idea.
I have been on dialysis at the Launceston General Hospital due to kidney failure since June 2001, however, I knew years before this that my transplanted kidney (from 1981) was failing. Because of this I was asked by my renal specialist some time around 1999 or 2000, to ask my three brothers if they would consider donating a kidney to me. One of the brothers refused simply because the thought of the surgery terrified him which is perfectly understandable, but the other two refused simply on the grounds that they couldn’t afford to be off work for up to three months as they had families to feed and mortgages to take care of.
If that money had been available then, I possibly wouldn’t have had to restart dialysis, and a $3,000 output by the Federal Government could have saved them the $60K to $70K it has cost to dialyse me per year for the last 3 ¾ years.
Now I am faced with a similar problem in that I have a non-related living donor willing to provide a kidney to me. She is a young person in her mid 20’s, a second year apprentice who is facing the same problems that my brothers faced. She is between jobs and feels that until the transplant takes place, it would not be fair of her to seek employment that may last for only a couple of months before she needs a couple of months off to recover from the donation. At the moment her mother and I are trying to work out if we can organise some sort of fundraising for her so that her mortgage and living expenses can be met while she is out of work and waiting for the surgery. Unfortunately, I am on a Disability Support Pension as is her mother who also happens to be quite unwell at the moment and cannot work, so we will be relying on some sort of community support to make this a reality.
This has, by the way, been a very long wait as she originally offered me this gift in November of 2003. Testing for her took around 6 months, but the real delay has been the inordinately long wait incurred to have me complete the last two tests. We saw the Melbourne transplant team in May 04 who were very happy with her, but decided that I needed to complete just two more tests. First there was a wait of around 4 months to see the specialist who could perform the tests. He then put me on the category 2 waiting list at the Launceston General Hospital, which means I should have been dealt with within 3 months. But after nearly 5 months with no date, I became quite concerned when I read in the local paper that some patients on the category 2 list wait for more than 12 months for their date in hospital. Luckily my renal specialist managed to pull some strings and all tests are now completed and we are just waiting for a date for the surgery. In the meantime, we originally expected the surgery to be late last year so I had applied to go to Uni this year but this has now been deferred, so both of us have had to put our lives on hold.
Hopefully the transplant will be completed within the first half of this year. It will cost around $70,000 if there are no complications, around the same price as one year of dialysis. By the time the transplant comes around I will have been on dialysis for nearly 4 years this time, which means that if one of my brothers could have been compensated, the Federal Government could have saved itself around $210,000 which could have been instead put toward preventing the current silent epidemic of renal failure in Australia.
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By Jeanette Laidlaw on Thursday, 13 January 2005
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| It is not just cost but consideration also. I was offered a donation by a friend. There was a call late one day for me to arrange for myself and the donor to attend for tissue typing the next day. I pointed out that i live in the country, i had a dental appointment the next day and that my friend would have to arrange time off work. The person i spoke with thought it was totally unreasonable that we couldn’t attend. I told her to give us a minimum of a weeks notice and she was mortified. Medical staff can be totally unreal. |
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